Tuesday, February 02, 2010

Has anyone ever had the following bright ideas?



Like starting up a group called Atheists for Religious Freedom?

Or

Real Secularists Against Oppressive Orwellian Equalities Legislation?

13 Comments:

Blogger Voltaire's Priest said...

Umm, no. Because (as has already been demonstrated today), we live in a western democracy with a weak-willed centre-right government, and not in Stalinist Russia.

So much for "oh my god they're going to reinstate the gulags", eh?

2/03/2010 12:01 AM  
Blogger Red Maria said...

Who said we were living in a Stalinist country right now?

What I have said is that the government's Equality Bill represents possibly the most serious threat to religious rights seen for centuries.

Under the Bill bishops could be prosecuted for disciplining errant clergy and would also be open to prosecution for sex-discrimination if it turned away women candidates to the priesthood.

[I]f the Bill became law and the bishops defied the Government and stepped in to discipline errant clergy they could not only be sued for sexual discrimination but, in the worst-case scenario, they could also face imprisonment, unlimited fines and have Church assets sequestrated.

You tell me what is not Stalinist about that.

You tell me why the Catholic Church should be forced to ordain women and not be allowed to discipline babyfathering priests.

2/03/2010 1:15 PM  
Blogger Voltaire's Priest said...

It isn't being, in any case. And besides, I don't imagine there are queues of wannabe Catholic priests running down Hurst Street as we speak.

However, you tell me why it's "Stalinist" to say that gay people and women deserve equal consideration from employers. Or how it's possible to look upon one of the most powerful and wealthy religious organisations in the world as the sum total of a persecuted group.

The day Gordon Brown starts telling the Pope how to run the Vatican, I might be more inclined to give due consideration here. Until then, it looks to me like you've run waaaaay over the hill with this one.

2/04/2010 3:10 AM  
Anonymous skidmarx said...

How about "Religious Nutters for a Rational World-view"?

2/04/2010 5:49 AM  
Blogger Red Maria said...

Voltaire's Priest I note that you have still not answered my question.

That bespeaks not a little desperation on your part.

I put it you again: why should the Catholic Church be forced to ordain women; why should its bishops face legal sanctions - including imprisonment - if they discipline babyfathering priests?

2/04/2010 12:50 PM  
OpenID splinteredsunrise said...

Damn it all, Harriet Harman will not succeed where Hans Kung and Mary Daly failed!

2/04/2010 1:14 PM  
Blogger Voltaire's Priest said...

Tell me why UK equalities law should offer cheeky exemptions for special interests.

2/04/2010 5:21 PM  
Blogger Voltaire's Priest said...

PS regarding Gulags, I would refer you to the title of the post below this one, written by your own fair hand.

2/04/2010 5:21 PM  
Blogger Red Maria said...

How is the basic democratic right to practise one's religion without harassment a special interest?

2/04/2010 5:46 PM  
Blogger Red Maria said...

erratum: to practice with a "c"

2/04/2010 5:47 PM  
Blogger Voltaire's Priest said...

How is an exemption from employment equalities law for a powerful religious body which doesn't want to employ women or practising gay people not special treatment of a special interest?

2/05/2010 1:15 AM  
Blogger Red Maria said...

But that "powerful religious body" does employ gay people and women, so what are you talking about?

I ask you again: why should the Catholic Church be forced to ordain women and its bishops be subject to limitless penalties if they discipline babyfathering priests?

2/05/2010 7:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice post. thanks.

2/17/2010 6:21 AM  

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