Saturday, September 04, 2010

Quiz time: Who said this?

ROS Coward (Why Dares to Speak says nothing useful, June 23) thinks it is “shocking” that Gay Men’s Press has published a book, Dares To Speak, which challenges the assumption that all sex involving children and adults is abusive. I think it is courageous.
The distinguished psychologists and anthropologists cited in this book deserve to be heard. Offering a rational, informed perspective on sexual relations between younger and older people, they document examples of societies where consenting inter-generational sex is considered normal, beneficial and enjoyable by old and young alike.
Prof Gilbert Herdt points to the Sambia tribe of Papua New Guinea, where all young boys have sex with older warriors as part of their initiation into manhood. Far from being harmed, Prof Herdt says the boys grow up to be happy, well-adjusted husbands and fathers.
The positive nature of some child-adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-Western cultures. Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the ages of nine to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy.
While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful.

Bonus questions: When and where was it said?


Blogger Left-Footer said...

Maybe the wife of the Headmaster of Westminster School, a Mrs Rae or Ree, about 1975 in an article in the Times or Guardian about the time of the P.I.E. scandal, if not, she said something similar.

Or perhaps someone called Harman.

9/04/2010 11:12 AM  
Anonymous marcpuck said...

Mr Valero prior to his embrace of the Work? (No idea really, of course, ha.)

"None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice etc...."--that is exactly what such people say at parties.

9/04/2010 11:25 AM  
Anonymous Jill said...

Peter Tatchell.

9/04/2010 10:35 PM  
Anonymous Jill said...

Peter Tatchell.

9/04/2010 10:36 PM  
Anonymous Jill said...

Peter Tatchell

9/04/2010 10:37 PM  
Blogger Left-Footer said...


What I tell you 3 times is true?

9/05/2010 2:08 AM  
Blogger Red Maria said...

Leftfooter, I think Jill just hit the enter button thrice by mistake. Happens to all of us :-)

But yes, she's right.

9/05/2010 2:42 AM  
Blogger Left-Footer said...

I'm sorry. I know. 'Twas only a jest.

Glad it was Tarchell (nasty me!)

9/05/2010 6:32 AM  
Anonymous Jill said...

Oops, sorry about that. I expected my pearl of wisdom to magically appear, and when it didn't, I had a couple more goes.

As for where and when, was it in the Guardian, circa 1997?

9/05/2010 11:47 AM  
Blogger nic said...

Fred West? ;-)

9/06/2010 6:58 AM  
Anonymous dawkinsdownfall said...

Could you provide a source? If it is Tatchell, I'd like to use this quotation in a video I'm making.

9/06/2010 7:20 AM  
Blogger Red Maria said...

All will be revealed soon, Dawkinsdownfall. Just hold on ;-)

9/06/2010 1:33 PM  
Anonymous Jill said...

C'mon, c'mon, I want to know if I have won the prize! Now I know it is Tatchell I am pretty sure I am fairly right about the rest, as I have been researching this lately and knew there was something like this in the late 1990s, but could not find it in the Guardian archives.

My second guess (if Tatchell was wrong) was going to be Richard Dawkins, who has said something very similar.

But Peter Tatchell contributed to a book edited by paedophile Warren Middleton entitled 'The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex, and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People' in which he encourages his readers to re-examine fundamental assumptions and concepts about acceptable sexual behaviour for the young. His views on the age of consent are well known, and are there for all to see on his blog.

9/06/2010 2:29 PM  
Anonymous dawkinsdownfall said...

OK, I tracked it down. Peter Tatchell in The Guardian letters page on 26th June, 1997.

Video to appear later today :D

9/08/2010 10:48 PM  

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